Excommunication Sounds Like This
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Clip #6 (4:57)
Jim: Yes, we do.
Jim: (noise) ... good trip
Fred: Yeah, okay.
Jim: Don is on the line, too, Fred.
Don: Hello, Fred.
Fred: Hi, how ya doing? The last time I heard from you, you were gonna get us some help and then you took off. What's the problem?
Jim: You were which?
Fred: Well, Don, I was gonna get some help from you with this lawyer problem and you take off. What happened?
Jim: Anyway, Fred...
Jim: ...the reason why we are calling...
Jim: ...is because... um... we wanted to talk to you about your meeting.
Jim: And we understood that you had O'Dell's in your meeting?
Fred: No, not only did we have them, we had them here for the weekend, and I invited them here.
Jim: Uh-huh... into the meeting.
Fred: Yep, and for the weekend.
Jim: Uh-huh... and so maybe you didn't realize that we had asked them to not come to our meetings?
Fred: Well, I don't care what you asked them, Jim...
Fred: ... and Don. This home is going to remain open and going to stay that way.
Jim: Uh-huh... Well, Fred, as far as your home is concerned, of course, you have complete liberty who you have in your home.
Fred: That's right.
Jim: But it is our responsibility who comes to the meeting.
Fred: Well, that's fine. That's up to you. You do what you wanna do!
Jim: Uh-huh... And, uh... with that Fred, uh... I don't know if you really understand the stand that we have taken?
Fred: Well, I understand the stand that you took with (unintelligible) and I understand this... the limited company, and the conduction of homosexuality,
you know, I don't know really what you guys understand.
Jim: Uh-huh... well, our stand is that, Fred, that uh... what we are asking you is that you stand behind Willis and the workers in Alberta.
Fred: Well, I tell you what. I won't do that.
Jim: You won't do that.
Fred: No, I, uh... this home is going to remain open...
Fred: ... and you want to run around with (unintelligible) and homosexuality, and you know what I'm talking about, um... I guess this home is gonna stay open!
Fred: You can do whatever you want!
Jim: Uh-huh... Well, uh... I guess then, Fred, uh... (unintelligible noise) ... we can't allow that in our kingdom.
Fred: Well, that's fine. You do what you wanna do!
Jim: Uh-huh... So, then, there won't be anymore meetings in your home.
Fred: Well, that's okay. That's fine.
Jim: We're going to ask you to not come to anymore of our fellowship meetings.
Fred: What was the reason for that? You know, you go look at the transcript on page twenty-five, and read Willis's answer. I have it front of me here.
Fred: You know, it tells us where... he said... this is what he said... that we're not to judge. You know, you're judging these people, and I was raised in an open home,
and my wife was raised in an open home. We raised our kids. This home has been a three-ring circus...
Fred: ...for many years! And you know, uh... it's gonna stay that way.
Jim: Well, you are choosing, uh... to do this, Fred, instead of upholding this ministry in Alberta.
Fred: Well, I don't know what ministry in Alberta does, you know, uh... there are some things you have done that I don't really condone, and...
Fred: ...and this homosexual problem... and I'm not sure that we haven't found out it's right in to the middle of the work!
Fred: You know, uh... I think you've got a problem. You haven't dealt with it. Um... you don't deal with that, you deal with this. So, uh... you know, uh...
you're... you're jumping on people, and that's fine.
Fred: That's your choice, you know?
Jim: So what we'll do is, we'll let the folks that go to your meeting know that there won't be a meeting there.
Fred: That's fine, yeah...
Jim: Okay, then.
Fred: Well, you have a good day. Thank you.
Jim: Are you still on, Don?
Don: (noise) you wanna just call me? Or I'll call you?
Jim: No... I think I will talk to you in the morning.
Jim: Okay, then?
Don: Yeah. Real good.
Jim: Okay, then.
Don: Yeah. Bye, then.
Jim: Yeah, bye. You got this written down?
Don: I guess I could.
Jim: I hope you did.
Fred: It's okay, you fellas. I have it taped. If you'd like a copy of the tape I have a copy. I'll send it to you.
Jim: That is totally illegal!
Fred: No, it's not, in my home...
Jim: It is...
Fred: ... I can do that, you know.
Jim: You taped a conversation without telling the people that you have taped it.
Fred: Well, there's more to it than that.
Jim: ...totally illegal!
Fred: No, uh... you'd better listen. This home is full of people right now and they're listening to this.
Jim: And for you to (noise) ... that is very deceitful.
Fred: No, it's not, really. You might...
Jim: And it is also illegal.
Fred: No, it's not.
Jim: And uh... I don't respect you for being so deceitful as that.
Fred: Oh, well. That's alright.
Fred: That's fine.
...end of tape...
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